Banned: Wanting to start over, can I? - Guild Wars Forums

Mickey · Jan 15, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

If I went out and bought a new account, and got all three new games, would I be able to play it? I would have absolutely no access to any funds from the exploit, because I did not transfer any funds to any alternate accounts from my main, which is now permanently banned. Would I be able to start over fresh without fearing the ban stick?

Perma ban on my main btw, one of the 117, blah blah blah.

StormDragonZ · Jan 15, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Banned once, banned always. That's my own thoughts.

Mickey · Jan 15, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

Banned once, banned always. That's my own thoughts.

I'm asking for an official statement, or even a post where a Dev says something about this.

RPGmaniac · Jan 15, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

I think there's some clause in the EULA that says when you get banned, they're banning you as a person. If they find out you got another account going, I think they'll ban you for that too. I'm not 100% sure though, I'd look it up if I were you.

Mickey · Jan 15, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by RPGmaniac

I think there's some clause in the EULA that says when you get banned, they're banning you as a person. If they find out you got another account going, I think they'll ban you for that too. I'm not 100% sure though, I'd look it up if I were you.

Ok, it does indeed say that they will terminate any account that has traces of a banned member.

UNLESS, I have the expressed permission of NC Interactive to use the account, so, where can I contact NC Interactive?

Snograt · Jan 15, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43

I would say that losing an account that's had lots of time and money spent on it is punishment enough for anything.

IF you were to register a new account with a Gmail address, they wouldn't know who you were anyway.

Mickey · Jan 15, 2008, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by Snograt

I would say that losing an account that's had lots of time and money spent on it is punishment enough for anything.

IF you were to register a new account with a Gmail address, they wouldn't know who you were anyway.

Is NC Interactive also known as Support?

{IceFire} · Jan 15, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

A friend of mine who was perma banned on one account bought another and was banned on that one as well, although now he finally has an account anet hasn't found yet. lol

Mickey · Jan 15, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by {IceFire}

A friend of mine who was perma banned on one account bought another and was banned on that one as well, although now he finally has an account anet hasn't found yet. lol

Lol, that's a kick. I still need to know though, is NC Interactive the same as NC Support? I definitely should get permission first, as according to the EULA.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 15, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

You will need to change/modify your IP address somehow to be 100% safe. Then go for it.

Mickey · Jan 15, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

Actually I've been looking into the ethicals of this, my brother in-law's a solicitor and a loyer and he's told me that if your account's been banned well tough, but if you were to go out and buy it over again just to have it banned again, That's a criminal act.

1. because the consigner is robbing the consignee of funds that were legally transferred.

I'm speaking of money spent on the game, without an option of a refund. Therefore Arenanet is NOT allowed to continuously ban accounts without first doing a thorough investigation. Otherwise there can be court-cases involved and that's the last thing a business needs to face.

Hope I cleared it up. By Australian law...I'm not sure about any other country though.

Ta.

However much I would love to sue a game company over a game, that sounds really fun, lol, but I am just looking to play with my friends again, and maybe stay well below the line, I just need to know where and how to ask permission.

Master Sword Keeper · Jan 15, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Not exactly suing,

More like receiving compensation for losses of currency that you or your guardian has put into the purchase of the item(s) in question.

Anet has no right whatsoever to simpily permaban anyone. Otherwise that is a breach of laws. It's as bad as saying "I'll buy a game, putting the money into their account and receiving nothing in return". It's just plain theft. Anyone who has ever owned or ran a company PROPERLY will understand the liabilities and the damage control. I'm part of a multi-million dollar company that trades between the states and Australian. I wish not to see any black marks of alliances.

But as I've said, All that Anet has really done has robbed you of X ammount of $$ and have given no compensation in return. I don't know what else to tell you. But there will have to be something done. Sorry I can't help you anymore than that. It's an unfair ban, unless you intentionally pulled yourself into it.

strcpy · Jan 15, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

*shrug* It can't hurt to send support or even PM Gaile - can't say you will get an answer though. I'm not sure exactly who NC interactive is, however support tends to be where they want you to send questions similar to this one.

If your one that did the actual hacking then I would say just don't bother - I know the answer and it will be "no". If you took advantage of it - dunno, my guess is probably still "no" since they felt it bad enough to ban an older account. You can try and purchase them and pretty much start new (and that includes making all new friends, guild, and pretty much not being your old character) otherwise I would guess you would get the ban hammer again - this seems to have hit a real nerve with them.

JeniM · Jan 15, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by strcpy

this seems to have hit a real nerve with them.

It showed vulnerability of the game client to hacks, something they have always prided themselves on being impossible. They had to come down hard on this set so any others may think "hmm is it worth the risk?"

Genie100 · Jan 15, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Or...suppose another member of your family, who is totally innocent, wanted to play GW and bought a copy. They would have your smae IP number , but possibly be banned for something they didn't even do...

Neo Nugget · Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM // 12:39

I dunno, but i have heard Anet could IP ban someone.

makosi · Jan 15, 2008, 12:43 PM // 12:43

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

I dunno, but i have heard Anet could IP ban someone.

I think they would only do that in extreme cases like major botting or excessive, persistent offensive behaviour.

As for buyng a new account, contact NCSoft or ANet support and hope that you don't get an automated response.

zola · Jan 15, 2008, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Pretty much nobody plays with a fixed, traceable IP address. You get your address from a pool, assigned to your ISP and you can't control (much) which one you will get.

Fixed, or static, IP are expensive...

isamu kurosawa · Jan 15, 2008, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

I dunno, but i have heard Anet could IP ban someone.

Its been stated before in discussion with bot bannings that they will never ban via IP because some IP addresses are shared over a larger area than just a single residence.

Etta · Jan 15, 2008, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Are you sure, you want to start it all over again? Do you really think it'll be worth it? I'd just pack up and leave, or find some other games to play. Then again, I'm not in the 117.

Jan 15, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25	#1
Mickey Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Eternal Insight Profession: D/	Banned: Wanting to start over, can I? If I went out and bought a new account, and got all three new games, would I be able to play it? I would have absolutely no access to any funds from the exploit, because I did not transfer any funds to any alternate accounts from my main, which is now permanently banned. Would I be able to start over fresh without fearing the ban stick? Perma ban on my main btw, one of the 117, blah blah blah.

Jan 15, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43	#6
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	I would say that losing an account that's had lots of time and money spent on it is punishment enough for anything. IF you were to register a new account with a Gmail address, they wouldn't know who you were anyway. __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM // 12:39	#16
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	I dunno, but i have heard Anet could IP ban someone. __________________ "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

Jan 15, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28	#2
StormDragonZ Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York Profession: W/R	Banned once, banned always. That's my own thoughts.

Jan 15, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38	#4
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	I think there's some clause in the EULA that says when you get banned, they're banning you as a person. If they find out you got another account going, I think they'll ban you for that too. I'm not 100% sure though, I'd look it up if I were you.

Jan 15, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49	#8
{IceFire} Forge Runner Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/	A friend of mine who was perma banned on one account bought another and was banned on that one as well, although now he finally has an account anet hasn't found yet. lol

Jan 15, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52	#10
RhanoctJocosa Legendary Korean Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: W/	You will need to change/modify your IP address somehow to be 100% safe. Then go for it.

Jan 15, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03	#12
Master Sword Keeper Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dead Isle Guild: Farmers Of Woe [FoW] Profession: W/	Not exactly suing, More like receiving compensation for losses of currency that you or your guardian has put into the purchase of the item(s) in question. Anet has no right whatsoever to simpily permaban anyone. Otherwise that is a breach of laws. It's as bad as saying "I'll buy a game, putting the money into their account and receiving nothing in return". It's just plain theft. Anyone who has ever owned or ran a company PROPERLY will understand the liabilities and the damage control. I'm part of a multi-million dollar company that trades between the states and Australian. I wish not to see any black marks of alliances. But as I've said, All that Anet has really done has robbed you of X ammount of $$ and have given no compensation in return. I don't know what else to tell you. But there will have to be something done. Sorry I can't help you anymore than that. It's an unfair ban, unless you intentionally pulled yourself into it.

Jan 15, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10	#13
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	shrug It can't hurt to send support or even PM Gaile - can't say you will get an answer though. I'm not sure exactly who NC interactive is, however support tends to be where they want you to send questions similar to this one. If your one that did the actual hacking then I would say just don't bother - I know the answer and it will be "no". If you took advantage of it - dunno, my guess is probably still "no" since they felt it bad enough to ban an older account. You can try and purchase them and pretty much start new (and that includes making all new friends, guild, and pretty much not being your old character) otherwise I would guess you would get the ban hammer again - this seems to have hit a real nerve with them.

Jan 15, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02	#15
Genie100 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Dragon Tempest Profession: E/N	Or...suppose another member of your family, who is totally innocent, wanted to play GW and bought a copy. They would have your smae IP number , but possibly be banned for something they didn't even do...

Jan 15, 2008, 12:46 PM // 12:46	#18
zola Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Pretty much nobody plays with a fixed, traceable IP address. You get your address from a pool, assigned to your ISP and you can't control (much) which one you will get. Fixed, or static, IP are expensive...

Jan 15, 2008, 12:53 PM // 12:53	#20
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Are you sure, you want to start it all over again? Do you really think it'll be worth it? I'd just pack up and leave, or find some other games to play. Then again, I'm not in the 117.